Saw this on kingsnake and thought I'd share. Any thoughts?????
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=33&de=598248
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Supposed "pure high yellow sorongs".....hmmmm....
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 Jeff Godbold |
Supposed "pure high yellow sorongs".....hmmmm.... |
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sjm27 |
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Posts: 584 (05/30/08 06:27:27)
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Precision Reptiles have quite a good reputation this side of the pond (Europe) so I guess we have to accept what they are saying unless there is evidence to
the contrary. To my eye the heads look like they have a bit of a biak influence (the longish snouts) but then not every sorong looks like a
"textbook" sorong.
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Max Moro |
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Posts: 1304 (05/30/08 06:28:26)
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Am I reading that right? What does the 18.000/pair mean? I hope that's not 18k lol
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sjm27 |
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Posts: 586 (05/30/08 06:36:17)
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Yes, I think that means $18,000 for the pair. Its obviously not 180K and I can't imagine they sell for just $1800 so what else could they mean?
To be fair, what would high-end US bred designers sell for as a 2 year old sexed pair?!
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Posts: 275 (05/30/08 07:00:28)
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Yes, it's $18 k. I'm located in Europe.
They don't only have a good reputation, they also have the reputation to make high dollars ... These chondros are extremely high-priced in light of the clutches the founder animals produced. First, these chondros aren't their own chondros, they're the ones of their provider (which is german also). Second, if you have a look at their provider's website you'll see the diversity of the clutches: this HY line isn't totally proven. I know some people who bought animals from there and most of them turned into green, nothing else. Third, could anybody explain why they call this "high yellow blue line"? These chondros are HY but not blue line at all, they show blue DORSAL MARKINGS!! What I've observed is that French speaking people THINK BLUE because in French "line" means "lignée". So they think they will get some high blue animals! But this is absolutely false: they will get (in the best case) a HY with blue dorsal markings. Some french guys went back to me and said "eh eh I have a HY blue line now" and I said "oh really? Isn't it rather a green chondro with classical blue dorsal markings?" and 6 months later they wrote on a forum "my GTP is green.." 
That's unfair to label these animals as blue line. 
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Posts: 53 (05/30/08 07:09:19) |
Pretty snakes.
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GTPfan |
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Posts: 412 (05/30/08 07:09:24)
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$18000 seems rather steep to me. To get into that price range, the bloodline must be proven, and shown with lineage. WC animals that produce great looking
offspring doesn't necessarily garantee a proven trait. My guess is the pair is worth $3000-5000 until something proves out. Of course this is only my
opinion here, and I'm usually conservative with these sorts of things. There always seems to be some loon out there willing to pay 2-3 times what I think
something is worth.
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Sony Raju |
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Posts: 1116 (05/30/08 07:11:25)
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regardless of what they are, they sure are good looking animals! 18k a way bit too steep, and the hy blue comment, not too sure about that either! reminds me
kinda of some of the stuff brandon osborne has produced...very nice!
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Only Chondro |
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Posts: 585 (05/30/08 07:12:48)
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Well Fred
You gotta write something to explain and justify that ridicolous price LOL Wonder what the owner asks OC |
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sjm27 |
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Posts: 587 (05/30/08 07:13:45)
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Yes, it's $18 k. I'm located in Europe.But thats only is you ASSUME "blue line" refers to ontogenic blue animals. These snake do, quite literally, have blue lines (dorsal markings/striping). I'm just playing devils advocate here but surely anyone spending 18K should be doing more than just making assumptions on the animals they're buying. So much can get lost in translation, after all. |
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pharmabull |
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Posts: 276 (05/30/08 07:26:55)
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sjm27 wrote:
This is not what I assume, using the word "line" is a way to induce a
misunderstanding! France is a 60 million people target Some people are ready to pay high dollar simply because the breeder says it's a high-end animal and don't even wanna get further details.
"High-end? ok I pay"
These animals are looking great but unproven, or at least I'd say "very unstable". Ron, when I'll get a clutch from my Lemon Tree X OS HY pairing I'll put your name on my waiting list. Of course, I'll wait till the yearlings can be safely probed and you'll get a pair. Since OS and Lemon are proven blood lines I'll sell them at a fair price of 180 k/pair.
Well, I'm gonna let the other members speak ...
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Posts: 951 (05/30/08 07:30:43)
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"To be fair, what would high-end US bred designers sell for as a 2 year old sexed pair?!"
If the bloodline was proven by a reputable breeder they might go in the range from 4 to 6 thousand. If it was unproven bloodline or the breeder was less familiar within the chondro community they might sell for $2,500 to $4,000 each.
David
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sjm27 |
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Posts: 588 (05/30/08 07:41:40)
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When I said "you" I was refering to anyone who was looking into these animals, not you specifically. If we, as interested parties, assume anything then surely we are partly to blame if we don't get what we expected? That was my point; at 18K only a fool would buy based upon an assumption. These are German bred snakes, why should German breeders be sensitive to linguistic meanings in the French language? The onus is on the French buyer to ensure they correctly understand what is meant by the seller. I only speak English, but I would never dream of advertising my babies in any other language just to make it easier for a non-English speaking buyer. |
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pharmabull |
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Posts: 277 (05/30/08 07:53:05)
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davidnj wrote: When I got my Lemon female from Rico she was 2 year-old and sexed for a while... and I didn't pay $6 k, any way not $9 k per chondro. sjm27: I tell you what these french guys told me. They got these animals from PR, this is their own problem if they
lost money, not mine. If you spoke French maybe you could understand much more easily why the word "line" lead to thinking about blue chondros.
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sjm27 |
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Posts: 589 (05/30/08 08:09:25)
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Yes, but thats my whole point; these French speaking buyers assumed that a German speaking breeder was describing his German bred snakes with French linguistic meaning! So what exactly has the German breeder done wrong??? Of course, I can understand how the different uses of terminology and meaning can confuse things when a deal is being done that crosses the language barrier, but that is not the same thing as suggesting that the term is being used to deliberatly mislead certain potential buyers. And even if it that was the case, the onus should still be on the buyer to make sure they correctly understand what they are buying. A German breeder, who may have no knowledge of the French language, can't be held responsible for any mis-understanding as far as I can see. cheers Stuart |
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Jeff Godbold |
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Posts: 391 (05/30/08 08:38:50)
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Boy, have I opened up a can of worms, LOL...
I think such claims are bogus at best! Any claim with any species that starts with the word, "pure" whether it be chondros or ball pythons (from specific localities)...sends one thought into my mind; show me the proven and written documentation. With a pricetag like that, I would get as much documentation/evidence possible and settle for nothing less! As for the appearance of his animals...well, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and I feel like "beauty" could be replaced with "worth" at times. These animals look great. But they look just like several animals that Brandon Osborne and Rico Walder have produced (just naming a few). I feel like the price is WAY inflated...but on the flipside, there's always someone out there williing to pay a hefty price for something. Personally, I feel like they're paying for bragging rights more than a spectacular animal. Once again, just my opinion and that doesn't apply to eveyone of coarse. They sure don't look like SB's by any means...HY fits a little better and I personally wouldn't pay half of that price for those animals. But thats just me.
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Posts: 56 (05/30/08 08:58:04) |
(I think such claims are bogus at best! Any claim with any species that starts with the word, "pure" whether it be chondros or ball pythons (from
specific localities)...sends one thought into my mind; show me the proven and written documentation.)
Jeff, What other reptile community does that? Would you want to see paperwork if the snakes were $400.00 or do you feel it's a must only because of the outrageous price being asked? |
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Jurgen van Spengen |
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Posts: 1587 (05/30/08 09:01:07)
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http://www.moreliamorphs.com/index.php?id=18&L=1
here ya go, the breeders webpage on his high yellow blue line chondro's I've seen a bunch of offspring from this line and all were green, maybe the yellow ones are being hidden but I don't fully trust it, Jurgen.
"know how to make a small fortune by breeding chondro's?
start with a large fortune. -Danny Brotto" |
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sjm27 |
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Posts: 590 (05/30/08 09:36:17)
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Boy, have I opened up a can of worms, LOL... Its funny, I read the bit of info about them being pure sorongs almost as a side issue. A bit like them saying "look at these great designer chondros....and what do you know, they're pure sorongs too". If you're buying these animals for their designer HY (or blue) traits - i.e what they look like - then surely locality data is irrelevant, just like it is with nearly all the other designer lines? We accept that designer chondros are not "pure" locality animals so why would the pure locality issue be the main focus of attention here? To my mind the real issue here is whether these animals are worth 18K...and like everyone else that has posted I would probably say they weren't. Maybe somehow the fact that they are designer and (supposedly) locality chondros is supposed to add to their worth, but I don't quite understand why that would be. |
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Julian Garcia |
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Posts: 1542 (05/30/08 09:38:44)
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I'm fairly sure that these animals are called "High yellow blue line" because it's just what they are called. I read it as "High Yellow
Blue - Line" meaning they are high yellow with blue markings...makes sense to me.. I have a friend in the UK who sent me shots of his animals from this
line... I think its just like any HY line.. some will turn green.. just the nature of breeding these things.. If my friend "who will remain
anonymous" for the sake of privacy would like me to take this photo down.. shoot me a mail... 18k is a bit steep .. but i'm a cheep @$$
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CroChondro |
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Posts: 126 (05/30/08 09:42:30)
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This is hahahahah good joke!! 18000 for pair!? way tooooo much!!!!!!!!!
These aren't even the best what HY can be! We are talking here about 9k for 2 year old chondro. Come on??? I would give that money for Flood, MR.Blue x Ireland baby... and for nothing else, maybe for some screamer HY adult! Just my 2cents. This is redicolous price. They are nice.... but way over the price they worth! This High Yellow Blue line... is soooo funny.... 'cos I really don't understand what that HYBL stands for. There are some HY animals, but most are green with some yellow, and some have blue dorsal markings and some don't.... SO what is this sooooooo special!>? I don't get it! If anyone wants I am selling my HY Biak pair for 100k...? If they are breed to total green chondro they MIGHT produce some HY animals... !and most of all... they are unrelated!They are both in perfect shape...! hahahha Just joking... I am not willing to part with these 2 here... ! |
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