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Nick Metherd |
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I totally agree that it's not the best. I personally wouldn't do it either. I'm not a consumer and actually have never met the guy. I have bred
tiger retics about 10 years ago and that's how I know retics. I just don't agree when someone make comments like he's all about the greed without
even knowing the guy. And just because everyone else does something, doesn't mean that it's the only way that works.
Nick |
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MegF42 |
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It may still work, but is it in the animal's best intentions? I can harass a mare in foal too, and she might still have the baby, but was it good for her?
Same thing with baby snakes....remakably tough creatures, but why do it. Wait until they are out and then unveil the exciting photos to the world. To risk that
much money just so you can post on you tube is nuts! Babies come out in the time they do because they need to be in there absorbing yolk. You risk prematurely
having them come from the egg, have yolk still attached and umbilicus ripped out along with all the intestine. I've seen it too often to count and it's
most often from people who won't leave the eggs the hell alone while the babies prepare to leave the egg.
5.5~Cornsnakes
3.4.1~Green Tree Pythons 2.1.2~Amazon tree boas 1.0~California Kingsnake Assorted: Horses, dogs, and cats www.Franclycac.com |
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Russ Stansfield |
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Don't we perform C-sections on women? Usually scheduled before the due date.
Russ |
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MegF42 |
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We don't do c-sections on women unless they need it...we also do it as close to due date as possible. We don't do c-sections for the fun of it....
5.5~Cornsnakes
3.4.1~Green Tree Pythons 2.1.2~Amazon tree boas 1.0~California Kingsnake Assorted: Horses, dogs, and cats www.Franclycac.com |
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Jurgen van Spengen |
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Russ Stansfield wrote: I don't and I hope the average father won't either,
"know how to make a small fortune by breeding chondro's?
start with a large fortune. -Danny Brotto" |
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Kenneth Diehl |
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To each there own, you cannot question his breeding knownledge and experience, been doing this for years. I beleive Retics are alot more hardy than other
serpents, I am sure there was a little "show-boating" in the filming of the video. I guess that is why Chondros are still the more
"challenging" snake to breed in captivity. I would not be that aggressive with chondro neonates...my luck they would all have heart attacks! (ha)
Ken Diehl San Antonio |
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RFK38 |
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It looked a bit careless to me the way he was wielding that straight razor. He didn't seem to be taking much care in avoiding the serpent within.
My first thought when I saw the video was..."this guy is an animal." To each his own... Bob |
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Sony Raju |
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i tend to agree with ken and a couple of others. he apparently knows what he's doing, so more power to him.
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Russ Stansfield |
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C-sections are done if the mother has had trouble in the past and are scheduled within the last week. I wouldn't do it either myself. The fact is that
C-sections are done on a regular basis. He definitely looks like he knows what he is doing and who knows, maybe this is less stressful than hatching on their
own. How many chondros and other snakes have died due to a broken egg tooth only to drown in the egg? I'm sure it's tough to find their way out. He
also allows them to come out all the way on their own. I would never use this practice, but I do feel this may be a better way to assure survival.
Russ |
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MegF42 |
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Unfortunately, he may let them come out on their own, but over the years, I've found that babies who are harrassed in the egg tend to feel threatened
enough to leave the egg early. This leads to disembowelment as they catch the umbilicus on paper towel or whatever. They also don't take the time to absorb
all the yolk and that isn't healthy either. Just cuz they are tough enough to survive it doesn't mean it's best for the animal. I've seen some
pretty brutal trainers in the horse and dog world who have been "doing it for years too" with results of some sort. Doesn't make it right.
5.5~Cornsnakes
3.4.1~Green Tree Pythons 2.1.2~Amazon tree boas 1.0~California Kingsnake Assorted: Horses, dogs, and cats www.Franclycac.com |
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AndrewK |
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I think we can all agree that doing this sorta thing is in no way "good" for the snake. However, I'm not gonna drop the "cruel" card
either. My first thought upon watching the video was "Wow...this guy must really know what he's doing, slicing into those eggs like that."
Don't be an arm-chair retic breeder. Manufacturing outrage and hysteria over somthing as small as this is THE LAST thing this industry needs right now. We have much bigger problems facing us. Love, Andrew Koraleski |
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MegF42 |
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The thing is Andrew...it has nothing to do with retics or anything else. It has to do with the treatment of "snakes"...not retics, not chondros. I
don't give 2 damns about whether it's a retic or a worm. I'm not armchair breeding anything. It's not good for the animal...period. I think his
little stunt is grandstanding and I don't think it's something that should be applauded.
5.5~Cornsnakes
3.4.1~Green Tree Pythons 2.1.2~Amazon tree boas 1.0~California Kingsnake Assorted: Horses, dogs, and cats www.Franclycac.com |
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Shiloh Hawkesworth |
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Are we still talking about this?
Shiloh Hawkesworth
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Russ Stansfield |
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The Phils are playing good ball!
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