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Posts: 26 (03/08/08 20:01:29) |
simple yet complicated question here - how can some of you just give away an animal to someone? how can you guys find it in your hearts to just give something
so beautiful away, sometimes to someone you dont even know? someone, please explain this to me, it just makes no sense to me, and i dont know why it doesnt
make sense to me either...
i CAN say this, no matter what you guys are great... lucas |
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Posts: 71 (03/08/08 21:25:35)
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Lucas,
You know the old saying: If you love something, set it free. If it comes back it was meant to be yours. If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it. But seriously, sometimes you can get just as much joy from giving something beautiful to someone else. You get to experience that initial joy you had again through their eyes. My personal experience makes me feel like a drug dealer sometimes. I know if I gift a nice snake to a friend, I've created a herp junkie forever. As funky as that may sound, it feels great to turn someone on to experiences that you find so incredible. Now if I could just hook my wife into herps...... Vinny |
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Posts: 63 (03/08/08 21:36:00) |
Idk either I would never give away a chondro lol.
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Posts: 554 (03/09/08 02:27:42)
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And on a more cynical note, giving away the odd chondro and then getting publically praised for it is probably a very profitable "loss-leader" for a breeder if you look at it in the wider context of adveretising and marketing. |
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Posts: 1717 (03/09/08 06:14:04)
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sjm27 wrote: That's actually very cynical, and I can tell you from personal experience that it 100% was not the reason. I was on the receiving end, and it
wasn't done to get public praise. People in this community are generous, and kind hearted. I have a few people in mind that will get Chondros from me when
I have clutches. They don't know it yet, and when it does happen, there isn't going to be a post that says "Look what Kim Heller just gave
me."
"Wow, that is a hot snake, I would definitely hit that."
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Posts: 50 (03/09/08 07:24:57)
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That's actually very cynical, and I can tell you from personal experience that it 100% was not the reason. I was on the receiving end, and it wasn't done to get public praise. People in this community are generous, and kind hearted.I don't know any of the background on what's going on here, but I can say that this is one of the things I personally *love* about this community when compared to other herp groups. People here seem to have the animals' welfare as the first priority, and seem to be very friendly, helpful, and generous to one another. I've been impressed since I first started out here, and haven't met anyone who I *didn't* like. Heck, even Aaron is nice when you pick up an animal for him and tell him how to find the local Tim Horton's... LOL! Just playing, Aaron, I appreciate the help and the quality chondro chats. 
If I can help fuel the passion that someone has for these snakes, I'm going to. If I am in the position to gift a snake, I'm going to. One of my daughter's friends has never kept snakes, but he has loved them since he was little. He is 17 years old, and just a nice kid. I had two Western Hognose little ones that I produced that I was going to keep, but when I heard how badly he wanted a snake, I got together two enclosures, heat lamps, hides, etc, checked that it was okay with his mom, and brought everything over to him. To see the look on his face was wonderful. He has demonstrated that he takes very good care of the hogs, so if I feel he is ready, he'll get a Chondro.BRAVO, Kim!!!! I hope someday I will be in a position to do the same... there have been a few neighborhood kids that I wish I could have ushered into snake-keeping, but the parents were unwilling.
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Posts: 27 (03/09/08 08:44:11) |
WOW...
it certainly is just as beautiful of an action as the animal you are giving away. i can see now why, and like i thought it would be, it is just so simple... one of those things that many i guess just fail to grasp - the concept of selflessness and innocence. i can also see how it would fuel the passion to other people to hopefully make more long time herpers, which we all want, but i dont know anyone who sacrifices as much as giving away one of these prized possessions. i must say, i honor you... kim, no, i ask this question simply because i have seen it happen in the short while that ive been here, and when i told my mum about this she got confused and said something like, "why would they do that? is there something wrong with the snake that makes them want to give it away?" Then i didnt have an answer, i simply replied with an i dont know... but now i do... and it so kind and wholehearted, this place just rocks. so kim, i have never recieved a "charity chondro", but have only witnessed it in the past. to all of you generous, selfless, and innocent herpetoculturalists, i am very glad to know you... best regards to all, lucas; |
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Posts: 1721 (03/09/08 10:03:49)
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**the concept of selflessness and innocence. ***
That is exactly it. I know of many that have been gifted a Chondro, and not one instance was it because the giver wanted recogniton. Quite the opposite, actually. I really believe we are all lucky to belong to such a wonderful community. Kim "Wow, that is a hot snake, I would definitely hit that."
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Posts: 517 (03/09/08 10:11:40)
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Hi:
Sometimes giving brings more satisfaction than receiving. Although in my case I generally only give freebie snakes (or freebie anything) away to people I know. If I don't know them then they must come highly recommended from someone I do know. Unfortunately, when you give, or do, something for free, it is not always appreciated. So it's not because I don't like giving free stuff to strangers...it's because I want to know that the snake will be well cared for and that it is going to be appreciated, and the person isn't just taking it because it was free, etc. Stu
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Posts: 30 (03/09/08 10:12:37) |
most correct kim, we are all lucky to be in this community, and this is one of my favorite places regarding my absolute favorite things, little green worms...
i just hope that herp ban doesnt go through, im gonna right a letter to our governer about this (probably wont help much cuz A. im 15 and B. i dont think the governer gives much of a damn or is in a place to say anything for this ban) but for what its worth im gonna try. L. |
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Posts: 966 (03/09/08 10:42:18)
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Lucas,
glad to see you up on the forum. I'm not sure of the circumstances behind the question, but giving away or even selling a chondro is a difficult thing to do. We here on the forum do become very attached to their animals. However, there are many people on this forum who have snakes of mine. The joy that they get out of them is very satisfying to me. It is nice to be able to touch people's lives in this fashion. Keep in touch. Bob |
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Posts: 1558 (03/09/08 11:20:49) |
I think Kim's hit the nail on the head!! There are many reasons for gifting snakes to others...... my very first gtp was given to me by one of my pet
grooming clients that had "rescued" it a year before. Although I had been very interested in them previously, I was NOT going to spend the money on
an animal that I was certain would be difficult to keep that I might kill off. As soon as I figured out that they weren't nearly as difficult to keep as I
had made them in my head my obsession was born!!
Some people are more in a position to be able to gift a snake or two along the way, several have been donated by top breeders to events like Chondrofest, Arboreal Symposium. Others are gifted as "pets only" because they've had some sort of issue in the past which makes them not suitable for breeders, yet they are perfectly fine as pets/display animals. I totally believe in "paying it forward" and love that others are of the same mindset!! |
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Posts: 31 (03/09/08 15:06:33) |
hey bob, good to hear from ya, havent chatted in a long time... there is no reason behind my posting this - i did not recieve a charity snake and i am not
planning on handing any out till my first clutch (perhaps next year)... i cannot even begin to fathom how hard it must even be to SELL one of these guys,
much less just give one away.
stu, it is sad that someone would not be able to appreciate such a selfless act, but for that reason it does make sense to only give snakes away to people you know, but what about in raffles? cathy, im interested to hear your first chondro was donated to you, a fine example of promoting the herpetocultural world through charity. the main instance that made me post this was the game back near christmas time where you had to guess the number of vertebral markings on a neonate. the winner got the neonate, a canary hatchling if i correctly remember. as i previously stated, i later told my mum about this and she wanted to know why someone would just give something away, and i didnt truly know the answer... so hear i am, asking you wise and kind folks. thanks for the answers, L. |
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Posts: 2551 (03/09/08 16:35:11)
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Someone mentioned I was nice in this thread. Please edit your post accordingly.
I'm not sure about the other species, but chondro people seem to give away animals when they can. I think this is awesome, and I fully expect that when Gary produces animals, he will give them to fine citizens like myself. I think many many many of us are not in this for the money as a primary reason, and the gift of a chondro is a good example of that. Of course we still need to sell them to attempt to fund the hobby itself (trying to break even, you see, which is a lofty goal), but a baby here and there is a good way to keep things fun. The animals are far more than just money.
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Posts: 518 (03/09/08 18:47:11)
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Hi:
"stu, it is sad that someone would not be able to appreciate such a selfless act, but for that reason it does make sense to only give snakes away to people you know, but what about in raffles?"I'm generalizing a little, and I think you have to consider each situation on its own merits. I have given things away in the past (and continue to do so when the situation warrants) and most of the time it's appreciated; occasionally not. With respect to chondros (or any living thing) obviously not everyone that I don't personally know would mistreat an animal. So raffles should not be excluded if it's the right kind of raffle - and if the raffle is being held at the right kind of event. For example, with an event such as Chondrofest, even though you would be raffling an animal off to people you might not know personally, because the people who attend something like a Chondrofest do it because of a serious interest in the hobby, I'm inclinde to believe that ticket holders of a Chondrofest raffle would all be people who are dead serious about chondros, and have the desire to maintain healthy animals over the long term, so would be eccstatic to win a chondro at such an event, etc. So, I'd make an exception for something like a Chondrofest type of event. Does this answer your question? Stu |
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Posts: 54 (03/10/08 07:07:57)
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You know, I've had a post that I've been wanting to make for a while. I've had it saved in Word (so I can spell check first :-)) for quite a while
and but never found the right post to add it as a response to until now. So here it goes...
For the year or so that I've been lurking on this site, I'm still somewhat shocked at how tight-knit this community is. From the various posts it seems like many members meet each other in person at shows and gatherings long after they've developed a friendship here on this site. I think this a testament to the open, respectful and welcoming attitude shown to new members, which is all to rare on internet forums. I think the gifts referred to in this post, and the breeding loans that happen between the members show an incredible amount of trust. Not because of the monetary value of the animals involved, but because these animals are cherished pets. This is most obviously shown by the concern and compassion that's shown when one of these (or other) animals is sick or passed, is something that don't see on almost any other site. A quick story, I went to my first Daytona Show in 2007 after seeing how many of you where going to be there. I walked around the Chondro Coalition room for a while getting up the nerve to talk to guys like Rico and John Holland (Romano looked too hungover to speak). Before I could man up, Cathy Maynard came up to me and the wife and started chatting away. She asked me whether I had any chondros (just one at the time) and asked if I had been here and what screen name I used. Once I mentioned that I had been on the site a lot and what my name was, she thought for a second and asked if my neo had finally started eating. I was shocked. My post about my neo was probably 4 months before the show and she remembered (she gave some great advice at the time)! We had talked for a bit longer when she asked if I was looking for another chondro. When I said I was and the price range I was looking for, she marched me right over to Rico and introduced me to the Dark Lord. How freakin' cool is that! After picking out a new Aru type male out, I asked the wife if we could head outside for a smoke break. John Holland overheard us and said we was heading out too. Once outside, John talked to my wife and me for quite a while about chondros, Blue Region, and Aaron's tendency to scream like a girl (see YouTube). When John left to go back to the tables, my wife accused me of having a man crush. I tried to explain how nice everyone is on this site, but I don't think she believed me. Then I told her that even if I did have a man crush on Holland, nothing would ever happen. "Honey, he's with the hairy guy with the hangover", "Ohhhhh, I thought they looked like a couple". Anyway...As I learn more about these wonderful animals I truly hope to be able to contribute more to this forum. Actually, I'm hoping one day that I post enough to be worthy of an Aaron photoshop." Thanks for letting me ramble, Jon |
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Posts: 1727 (03/10/08 07:18:48)
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That was a great post, Jon! You hit on the trust aspect, which is very important to me. I've made friends here that I trust with my life. Who would have
thought that Chondros could help build such a wonderful group of friends.
I don't believe we met at Daytona, but if you are going this coming Summer, I'd love to talk Chondros with you
Kim "Wow, that is a hot snake, I would definitely hit that."
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Posts: 55 (03/10/08 08:25:39)
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Kim-
I don't think we met. I'll definitely be there again this year. In fact, I'm taking Friday off of work to go out to early (I live in Orlando). The wife and I are looking forward to meeting more people again. If the Chondro Coalition needs a roadie, I'm good at carrying stuff :-) Jon |
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Posts: 1562 (03/10/08 09:23:23) |
Lucas, I'll go down memory lane and do a post with story on my first chondro... watch for it! I'll need to dig up the old pics.
Jon, great post, thanks for reminding me how great it really is to be part of this community!! Chondro people are the best!!! Be careful what you volunteer for, behind the scenes work you have masters that drive the slaves pretty hard!! It's all good though of course!! |
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Posts: 33 (03/10/08 09:30:37) |
i always knew that the people here were great, but its only just becoming evident how much so. i have only met jason stevens in person , but i hope to change
that throughout the years.
john, im so glad you got to have an experience like that, id have a man crush too, especially after meeting lord walder!... by the way, what other big shows are there that most of you go to? cathy, i cant wait for the post, im sure it will be quite a read. best regards everyone, and john, your post really was, well, just great. lucas |
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