Some posts in another thread made me think of this. If a line is not line bred back in to maintain it, at what point does denoting lineage (without details) become negligible and in some ways misrepresenting an animal?
For example, if you have a 25% TW blue line sire and its out crossed to a Jaya/Arfak, the resulting offspring are only 12.5% TW blue line. Is that even a refined TW Blue Line animal anymore? Or is it really more the Locality OC? Even if the sire was largely made up TW animals, that doesn't necessarily make him 100% TWBL. TW worked with a lot of stuff and only animals that descend from a few key animals are, in my opinion, TWBL. Much like the calico line starts with a single chondro and, in this case, not even its brothers (aquaman, the legend) are members of the calico line.
There are certainly lots of chondros out there with tons of TW animals in the pedigrees that are low % blue line. I often see people think of the Meruke OC clutch that produced Versace and Maxwells male as blue line animals when they were from a meruke male bred to Forrest and IMO Forrest wasnt really a blue line animal. Her sire was Ol Yeller (a biak OC) and she only had a sliver of a connection to the blue line on her dams side. In turn the resulting offspring from the Meruke OC clutch were only like 6% BL if any and certainly had not had any of the refinement achieved from the selective line breeding that was being done with the blue line. So while those animals share a far distant tie to the line, they are not BL animals IMO. They are Meruke OC animals and not line bred animals at all.
Anyway, For me, I think anything is cool so long as it comes with proper labels. Because while I have seen some people think that the Meruke OC animals produced by trooper were blue line, he himself certainly never labeled them as such. His label was actually accurately descriptive of what they really were. He lets the Meruke take lead in the description as it makes up the largest % of the animal and thats what I see as the ethical way of doing labeling such animals. He didnt mislable them on purpose or by omission etc and he and many others painstakingly took the time to label things properly and create pedigrees etc to ensure there was no miscommunication. I think we need to do a good job at continuing the hard work that was laid down by the people that went before us and respect the labels that they chose for the lines that they worked on for years to prove out, refine, and describe.
Of course, I still see people labeling things with lots of lineage details and that allows people to research and make your own determination on the pairings genetic potential. I like lots of details.
So at what point does it stop? 50 years from now, with no line breeding to maintain it, a million Biaks bred into the line later, are they really TWBL animals anymore? Or are we just riding the last threads of the label for marketing purposes? Years ago, you often heard things referred to as designer mutts and that was pretty spot on. I mean, how low do you go? Is 25% the cutoff in our minds before it is considered now really more of the new blood than it is of the old blood? 25% 12% ?
And yes, this same thinking applies to the Lemon line, Calico etc. Any of the historic, line bred, highly refined lines.
Anyway, Just thinking out loud and looking to hear what others think as well. Thanks.
PS. None of my examples are trying to point fingers or imply inferiority. They are just the ones that came to mind.
PSS. I TOTALLY welcome anyone thoughts. Everyone from pedigree geeks to people with their first chondro. Its a topic discussion, not a fight. So please share if you would like to.
PSSS. Punctuation is always appreciated.