No Temp Gradiant?

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Morelia Viridis) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:32:18 GMT

This link is interesting too.

http://worldweather.wmo.int/043/m043.htm

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Only Chondro) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:15:34 GMT

Hardly any dropping at night time(i measured it in Biak),in my friends i measured a ncouple of nights temps of 32 degrees celsius..
There is no significant dropping of temperature there,infact Biak doesent have any rain season at all.
Instead of Yapen where i could see it at nighttime almost lightning every night.
Distance between those islands is by small boat four hours.
I believe in Papua gtp,s are sensitive for low pressure,that tells them there will be plenty of...

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (greg schroeder) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:33:37 GMT

Sony,

If snakes are healthy and reproducing I wouldn't change anything.

That said I honestly don't think it hurts them to be even cooler at night for cycling providing you get that day high in the upper 80Fs and you have sufficient dew point temperature similar to native land. It might take less temperature drop for sea level genetic animals to reproduce as opposed to highland genetic animals to reproduce. It does seem logical when we study the weather of were...

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Sony Raju) — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:42:38 GMT

greg s.,

i like your thinking there, but then when you are cycling, you're going to have to drop your temos way lower, correct?

sony

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Morelia Viridis) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:12:23 GMT

td30.chondroforum,

Actually Merauke has a night drop and would be saturated air near 100% relative humidity in early morning when it's in the 70Fs with a dew point in the 70Fs. Days are in the upper 80Fs and the same dew point in the 70Fs would be 63% relative humidity.

I believe the below is the best formula I've found for chondros in general....

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (td30) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:27:43 GMT

greg schroeder wrote:
Greg, No doubt you have things dialed in pretty good it sounds. I'm not sure what part of Maryland you're in, but Baltimore's dew point temperature is 65F right now at 5:30PM. If you're spraying in those conditions with evaporation that's pretty high dew point temperature probably in the 70Fs in the enclosures. With your night drop your set up is about the same as a lower elevation in...

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (greg schroeder) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:34:51 GMT

Greg, No doubt you have things dialed in pretty good it sounds. I'm not sure what part of Maryland you're in, but Baltimore's dew point temperature is 65F right now at 5:30PM. If you're spraying in those conditions with evaporation that's pretty high dew point temperature probably in the 70Fs in the enclosures. With your night drop your set up is about the same as a lower elevation in Irian Jaya.

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Only Chondro) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:18:58 GMT

greg schroeder wrote:
June 4 2008

Jayupura
http://www.wunderground.com/history/station/97690/2008/6/4/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Biak

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (greg stephens2) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:41:26 GMT
Larry,
The acrylics are heated by 11" flexwatt that is mounted in a false back.
If you look closely you can see it's location in the last pic above.
This set up makes the rear wall of the cage a RHP or radiant heat emitting surface to be exact.
I do use 12" x 12" 50 watt SSHC RHP's in the Neodesha arboreal's I have.

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Larry Stroud) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:25:46 GMT

greg stephens2 wrote:
So that said 88 with in IR temp gun is not too hot, I keep my thermostat probes below the RHP's I use at perch heigth and set them for 89 to 90.
This provides surface temps directly below the panels between 90 and 98.<>

I'm just curious Greg, what kind of RHP are you using? I don't see them in the photos.

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (greg stephens2) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:11:25 GMT
LOL, Yes I still used the misting system and drains.
The way I have this set up right now is the system kicks on sprays for about 5min. one to three times a day depending on which cages we are talking about.
But the cages are Bone dry in under an hour on most days depending on the room dynamic of my set up, and outside RH%, and DPT's.

Here are some shots of what I have set up.

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (BuddyBuscemi) — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:49:49 GMT
Thanks Greg!
Are you still using a misting system for your chondros? You said bone dry and I was wondering if you abandoned misting.
Greg Stephens lives in the "New Iron Range" aka Maryland.

Buddy B

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (greg schroeder) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:00:14 GMT
June 4 2008

Jayupura
http://www.wunderground.com/history/station/97690/2008/6/4/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

Biak

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (greg schroeder) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:51:06 GMT
Side note: Relative humidity % is relative to temperature. The same dew point temperature given two different temperatures will have a different % relative humidity. Ironically relative humidity % is irrelevant without a known actual temperature.

Dew point temperature is a constant figure much more suitable for expressing how wet the air might be for chondro health. It can be reviewed for many natural locals of the green tree python. You'll find the majority of locals have...

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (td30) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:24:37 GMT
Thanks Greg. This is pretty much what I have set up. I have just never seen him utilize the basking spot. I will continue to offer it though. So you keep them very dry huh? What type of climate do you live in? I live in Colorado where it is basically a desert (RH between 20-30%). You have good results with this humidity?

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (greg stephens2) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:53:07 GMT
I can tell you in my opinion that if you choose to keep you animals at 82 to 84 with no oppertunity to bask they will suffer health related problems.

So that said 88 with in IR temp gun is not too hot, I keep my thermostat probes below the RHP's I use at perch heigth and set them for 89 to 90.
This provides surface temps directly below the panels between 90 and 98.<>
YES I have animals that use the basking areas and some times for...

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Sony Raju) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:57:26 GMT
my temp gradient is from 82-87ish. no i do not use a night drop except for during breeding season. hope this helps.

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (td30) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:23:15 GMT

I measure the temps on the perching locations themselves with a temp gun, hot =88, cool=81. I actually just measure the snake itself for the cool temp because that is where he hangs out. Sony, do you drop drop the temp at night?

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (Sony Raju) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:22:21 GMT
i keep all my cages at 85-88 range in the hot spot. since changing up the temperature, ihave noticed that none of the animals get sick, and they seem to have faster metablism.

Re: No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (BuddyBuscemi) — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:26:14 GMT

Are you measuring your air temps @ 88 degrees or are you measuring a hot spot @ 88 degrees? Yes, there is a difference. I keep my adult enclosures between 86-87 degrees measuring air temps under the heat panels, which gives me a hot spot of 90 degrees. The cool side of the cage measures 78 degrees using air temps and 80 degrees measuring perch surface temps. I don't believe a night drop will hurt your animal.

Buddy B
p.s. Greg Stephens had a thread last year about...

No Temp Gradiant?

feeds@yuku.com (td30) — Sat, 10 May 2008 21:35:23 GMT
Hi all. My current setup is an 18" exo terra with a CHE in one corner on a herpstat controlled to 88 deg. The rest of the enclosure is at an ambient temp of ~82-83 deg. This works great except I have a hard time keeping the humidity up. The screen is already covered in plexi except for where the CHE is. Now to my question...Would it be ok to just remove the humidity sucking CHE entirely and keep a constant 24/7 temp of 82-83? Seems like I am having to choose between a temp gradient...