Protect your hobby

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (IRONHEAD272) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:40:05 GMT

Well, I live in South Florida near Howie, so I am right in the hot topic area. I have no problem with them regulating the "large" constrictors. Of course, I do have a problem that they pick out these species and do not address many others. IMO the world is much smaller than it used to be, and I don't think we will be able to keep animals restricted to their original environments much longer anyway. If an animal will thrive in a similiar environment, then it will establish...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Ben Team) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:30:31 GMT

So since we have had a few weeks to stew on this....what are everyones' thoughts?
Does this scare you all like it does me?
Do you think cooler heads will prevail?
Are most of us Morelia-ophiles just grateful that our critters aren't included?
Is it naive to think that Morelia's won't be added?
I just went over to K-snake, and everytime I do I get really REALLY scared about all of this...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (ScubaTim) — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:13:06 GMT

I know this sounds a little cliche but what the hell is this country coming to? How may more regulations and freedom shackles do we need? This makes me sick!

Now that i got that off my chest, I would just like to say that I understand the intention of the proposal. But i also think that this would do nothing but keep respectful/responsible keepers down. The problem in Florida exists because of few disrespectful A-holes that have no regard for laws along with no ethics. Do you really...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Ben Team) — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:21:07 GMT

Thanks for the feedback Rico. Perhaps I was unclear about my intentions. I fully intend on sending whatever data I can regarding their survey. This was in addition to that.

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Rico Walder) — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:39:13 GMT

you didn't provide any of the information they are looking to assemble. They are looking for data, hard numbers! Broad statements like "a multimillion-dollar industry" won't mean a thing to them. Address the questions they have directly and you will have a much more relavant document. They are looking for infomation on,

1. Your state regulations on the proposed species. If there are none, say so.
2. How many species are currently in production. List all...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Ben Team) — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:34:43 GMT

Here is a rough draft of the letter I plan on sending if anyone would like to offer constructive criticizm or cut and paste to use as your own...etc...

February 4, 2008

To Whom It May Concern:

It has recently come to my...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Bryan Suson) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:38:01 GMT

Ummm, little shocked on the lack of response here. I am surprised that there are not more people chiming in on this and expressing their thoughts. Yes, the problem in the Everglades with large constrictors is the major root in this ridiculous solution, but we are talking about everyone in the herp world that will be touched by this. Forget about current regs and bans on certain species at a state level, we are talking Federal. From the looks of the following document, they are proposing a ban...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Anbergator) — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:13:26 GMT

These new regulations have all but already passed as far as the Fish & wildlife commision is concerned.They're not asking you how you feel about this matter ,they're looking for additional information.These new regulation have been formated years in advance of this.Just take a look at Daytona's Breeder Expo rules implimented last year.I'm in no way happy to have the govt. stick it's nose in to my bussiness but something has to be done about the irresponsable eggheads...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Bryan Suson) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:32:43 GMT

Yes, this is some serious business here. If this is passed, it WILL affect everyone here. I hope that nobody in this forum takes this lightly and EVERYONE acts on this by responding to this rediculous proposal. This is just downright scary.
-Bryan

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (calking1) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:55:00 GMT

Chris, Theoretically an out of state breeder could ship one of these animals in without FWC knowing about it, but it is aimed at local breeders,pet shops,and current owners. I feel that this type of information goes thru the reptile community rather quickly so I don't see outside shipping being a big factor. Aly is right any one who has a class 3 license
(sell and exhibit) is subject to an inspection at any time, I have been inspected once in the last 8 years and this was because of...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Florida 87) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:25:35 GMT

Christopher Feenan wrote:
Howie -

How do they enforce the microchip requirement ? If a breeder doesn't know about the requirement, can't he send any of those species to Fla. without consequence ?

Also, who collects the $100, and what do they claim to be doing with it ?

Just wondering how these policies are made enforceable. We can't have hots in NY, but I know of several...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Christopher Feenan) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:40:35 GMT

Howie -

How do they enforce the microchip requirement ? If a breeder doesn't know about the requirement, can't he send any of those species to Fla. without consequence ?

Also, who collects the $100, and what do they claim to be doing with it ?

Just wondering how these policies are made enforceable. We can't have hots in NY, but I know of several guys that keep them. The only way that they will be fined is if someone gets bit and the police...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (calking1) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:46:17 GMT

As of Jan 1 2008, The following animals have been designated reptiles of concern here in Florida.
1.Berms
2.Green Anacondas
3.Retics
4.Scrubs
5.African Rock Pythons
6.Nile Monitors
These animals also require an additional $100.00 fee, plus they must be micro-chipped and registered.
Howie

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Only Chondro) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:26:13 GMT

Thing is they dont want it. Same here in Europe,rumours goes here with in five years ,all import will be closed. Further i like to say that in hot areas in the US,,animals can easily survive there. That is a major problems for animals origin living there. I bet that there are escaped animals crawling around from serious breeders too. Accidents happen OC

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Mike Rico) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:59:08 GMT

i totally agree Stu.....if the founding fathers were to see what goverment has become they'd be rolling over in their graves.

I'm not sure how to handle something like this but if you just make the people with big boids pay permits thats just another way of big goverment overstepping its boundries. And eventually they will moe onto other repltiles.

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (chondroland) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:41:19 GMT

Hi:

Sounds like another example of the Government making the innocent folks among us (me, for example) pay for all the stupid stuff that a minority of society inflict on the rest of us (I would find the Darwin Awards much funnier than they are currently if I wasn't constantly reminded that it is folks like the Darwin Award recipients who have been instrumental in the creation of many of the stupid laws we now have imposed on us).

I became convinced, when I lived in...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Colorado Riverboy) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:18:38 GMT

It's time for even-keeled, thoughtful, educated, and respected members of the herp community to start writting letters.

People frequently suggest more regulation of large constrictor sales, which btw I support to protect the hobby as a whole, but this is also just more "big government" regulation. Unfortunately our population's average IQ isn't up to the level where individual autonomy and absolute self-governed freedom is a viable option.

At least...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (billzuk1) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:51:44 GMT

I think this is rediculous.Instead of going at those responsible they attack everyone.The great KGB or I mean the US government at work.They won't stop until they get there way.

All they have to do is to regulate more.Like not allowing any sales to minors or to those not educated or have the right type of means to keep these animals safely THROUGHTOUT ther life span.There should be documentation of whom and where these animals are sold to.

There are too many...

Re: Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (Christopher Feenan) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:40:39 GMT

Burms in Fla. are the catalyst for this legislation.

Unfortunately, we can't count on big gov't to deal with a real problem effectively. If they are succesful in banning all boas and pythons, then they would be unable to enforce the ban. Their solution would then be to hire more people to enforce the ban, which makes them bigger, and that is their only goal. Bright people in gov't (an oxymoron) know that the Burms are established in the Everglades, and cannot be...

Protect your hobby

feeds@yuku.com (tupperwarezoo) — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:42:42 GMT

I just caught sight of this Fish and Wildlife proposal to list pythons and boas as injurious to our environment.. The fed is accepting comment until April, on this proposal that would ban pythons and boas.