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        <![CDATA[ Hey, has anyone seen this?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31527357/


I&#39;d love to hear from anyone who has more info on this study.  At least someone is taking the initiative to gather real data instead of just speculating.


By the way, is it just me or would anyone else like to slap this Gibbons guy?  He&#39;s listed as a herp professor, but his comments are more alarmist than
scientific.

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: MSN Article - S.Carolina Burmese experiment  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Lauren,
<br>
<br>
While I cannot comment on SC weather, in VA we will usually get a cold snap in the winter where the night lows are in the teens and the daytime highs around 30
for about a week. Otherwise our winters are relatively mild (daytime 40s-50s, nighttime 30-ish) with only some winters having any real snow accumulation. My
son just turned 5 and this was the first winter we&#39;ve had enough snow for him to go sleigh riding.
<br>
<br>
I agree the sample is small, and if the winter is... ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: MSN Article - S.Carolina Burmese experiment  ]]></title>
			<link>http://moreliaviridis.yuku.com/reply/108106/t/MSN-Article-S-Carolina-Burmese-experiment.html#reply-108106</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ How cold does it get there?
<br>
<br>
Growing up in Minnesota... having school canceled because it is too cold for the school busses to start.. now thats brutal. <img src="http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif">
<br>
<br>
<br>
I think the sample size is too small as well and it sounds like, because there are hibernation caves and whatnot, that they&#39;re going to have a few live
snakes at the end.. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Kim Burge wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  I guess brutal is a matter of opinion but being from SC/NC, I think our winters are COLD with enough long term hard freezes to be fatal to this species over
  time.
  <br>
  <br>
  FYI - I heard directly from Whit this morning and he said that the article, while somewhat colorfully written, were all his statements and were true. There
  was no falsification in the article.
  <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Kim, are you... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for all the responses guys. I&#39;m glad that some of you have spoken to the folks involved and gotten the real info here.
<br>
<br>
I hope this experiment gives better data on what these animals can really survive in with regards to our temperate climate.
<br>
<br>
While it appears Whit may be well respected among the herp and scientific community, I found his comments to be very unprofessional. It&#39;s one thing to joke
among friends who understand the sarcasm, but that kind of talk... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Living in NC myself, we do get ice storms that freeze and snap telephone lines and nock down trees. And this is in the Greensboro/Winston Salem area.
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			<description><![CDATA[ I guess brutal is a matter of opinion but being from SC/NC, I think our winters are COLD with enough long term hard freezes to be fatal to this species over
time. 
<br>
<br>
FYI - I heard directly from Whit this morning and he said that the article, while somewhat colorfully written, were all his statements and were true.  There
was no falsification in the article.    
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			<description><![CDATA[ &quot;Brutal Winters&quot;, Meg? Really?
<br>
Perhaps my memories are fuzzy...I thought your winters were like our GA winters. ]]></description>

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			<link>http://moreliaviridis.yuku.com/reply/107994/t/MSN-Article-S-Carolina-Burmese-experiment.html#reply-107994</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ As I mentioned in the iHerp blog discussion...I really wish they&#39;d use a larger sample size and other locations. A study on 7 animals in the northern part
of the &quot;predicted range&quot; is not statistically sound and is going to be picked apart, regardless of the outcome. Not to mention, Georgia
resident&#39;s don&#39;t care if big snakes can live in South Carolina...they are concerned what can happen in their backyard.
<br>
<br>
We are screwed as a hobby unless/until someone starts... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ From what i gathered from my conversation with M. Dorcas, this is an experiment to see if they will survive the temps. According to him, there are areas in
asia that do reach freezing during parts of the year and there are populations of burms that survive these temps. The goal is not to see if they can migrate,
as im sure they probably could, but to see if they will survive in the event of said migration.
<br>
<br>
Wheres theres a will, theres a way.
<br> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I know Whit Gibbons personally and I found it hard to believe that he would say stuff like that. We&#39;re planning on going snake hunting in July and I might
ask him about the article and stuff. He&#39;s in Washington right now, so I haven&#39;t bothered him lately except to let him know I found a cute hoggy on the
road the other day. I suspect that the Burmese will have a hard time surviving the temperatures here. The winters can be brutal (freezing with snow on
occasion) and right now the... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Whit Gibbons is very well respected as is Mike Dorcas.  My understanding is that this is a thermoregulation study only and they are not taking into account
things like finding prey, roads, etc.  The snakes will be fed throughout the year so I expect many of them will survive since this isn&#39;t really a survival
in the wild study.
<br> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Whit Gibbons is a respected guy down in these parts. From what I understand he did most of his early work on SE USA turtles. More recently he did some cool
stuff testing the &#39;threshold&#39; of <em>A. piscivorous</em> defensive tactics. He is also part of the group (if not the head honcho) that produced a very
good field guide to the snakes of GA &amp; SC.
<br>
<br>
Misquoted or not, what he said was true.
<br>
<br>
I have said it a million times, we are screwed as a hobby. Burms don&#39;t... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ thats how it goes i guess. always stretching the truth and misquoting. where did all the true/legit studying go? its a shame. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">MiguelBlanco wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title">GTPfan wrote:</strong>
    <hr>
    Hey, has anyone seen this?
    <br>
    <br>
    <a target="_blank" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31527357/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31527357/</a>
    <br>
    <br>
    I&#39;d love to hear from anyone who has more info on this study. At least someone is taking the initiative to gather real data instead of just... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">GTPfan wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  Hey, has anyone seen this?
  <br>
  <br>
  <a target="_blank" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31527357/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31527357/</a>
  <br>
  <br>
  I&#39;d love to hear from anyone who has more info on this study. At least someone is taking the initiative to gather real data instead of just speculating.
  <br>
  <br>
  By the way, is it just me or would anyone else like to slap this Gibbons guy?... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <a target="_blank" href="http://iherp.com/Public/Blog/Detail.aspx?UID=19965">http://iherp.com/Public/Blog/Detail.aspx?UID=19965</a> That was just a general discussion of it.
<br>
<br>
Nate (fyrerocks on iHerp and chondronoob on here) took some time out of his day to talk to one of the guys running the study. He posted a blog as well.
http://iherp.com/Public/Blog/Detail.aspx?uid=20084
<br>
<br>
It seems like the reporter did some serious misquoting and stretching. It&#39;s really too bad we... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Hey, has anyone seen this?
<br>
<br>
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31527357/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31527357/</a>
<br>
<br>
I&#39;d love to hear from anyone who has more info on this study.  At least someone is taking the initiative to gather real data instead of just speculating.
<br>
<br>
By the way, is it just me or would anyone else like to slap this Gibbons guy?  He&#39;s listed as a herp professor, but his comments are more alarmist than
scientific.
<br>
<br> ]]></description>

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